From Cricinfo
3.5 Vaas to Carseldine, OUT, Carseldine is out, a bizarre bit of cricket, Carseldine fails to connect with the ball again, it thuds into his back pad, Gilchrist collects this time and belts out an appeal for caught-behind, Carseldine doesn't realise the keeper has the ball and sets off for a single, Gilchrist whips off the bails and asks the square-leg umpire for a stumping, which is upheld
LA Carseldine st wicketkeeperGilchrist b Vaas 8 (11b 1x4 0x6) SR: 72.72
From Cricbuzz
Vaas to Carseldine, out Stumped!! Unbelievable piece of stupidity from Carseldine! back of a length outside off, Carseldine misses the clip, they all go up for the caught behind, there was no bat involved, came off the back leg, Gilly is distraught at that not been given out, what does Carseldine do, he looks for the single, Gilly whips the bails off in a flash, Carseldine is left bemused, never seen that before, what a gift of a wicket for DC. Carseldine st Gilchrist b Vaas 8(11) [4s-1]
The dead ball law
Law 23 (Dead ball)
1. Ball is dead
(a) The ball becomes dead when
(i) it is finally settled in the hands of the wicket-keeper or the bowler.
(ii) a boundary is scored. See Law 19.3 (Scoring a boundary).
(iii) a batsman is dismissed.
(iv) whether played or not it becomes trapped between the bat and person of a batsman or between items of his clothing or equipment.
(v) whether played or not it lodges in the clothing or equipment of a batsman or the clothing of an umpire.
(vi) it lodges in a protective helmet worn by a member of the fielding side.
(vii) there is a contravention of either of Laws 41.2 (Fielding the ball) or 41.3 (Protective helmets belonging to the fielding side).
(viii) there is an award of penalty runs under Law 2.6 (Player returning without permission).
(ix) Lost ball is called. See Law 20 (Lost ball).
(x) the umpire calls Over or Time.
(b) The ball shall be considered to be dead when it is clear to the umpire at the bowler's end that the fielding side and both batsmen at the wicket have ceased to regard it as in play.
2. Ball finally settled
Whether the ball is finally settled or not is a matter for the umpire alone to decide.
3. Umpire calling and signalling Dead ball
(a) When the ball has become dead under 1 above, the bowler's end umpire may call Dead ball, if it is necessary to inform the players.
(b) Either umpire shall call and signal Dead ball when
(i) he intervenes in a case of unfair play.
(ii) a serious injury to a player or umpire occurs.
(iii) he leaves his normal position for consultation.
(iv) one or both bails fall from the striker's wicket before he has the opportunity of playing the ball.
(v) he is satisfied that for an adequate reason the striker is not ready for the delivery of the ball and, if the ball is delivered, makes no attempt to play it.
(vi) the striker is distracted by any noise or movement or in any other way while he is preparing to receive or receiving a delivery. This shall apply whether the source of the distraction is within the game or outside it. Note, however, the provisions of Law 42.4 (Deliberate attempt to distract the striker).
The ball shall not count as one of the over.
(vii) the bowler drops the ball accidentally before delivery.
(viii) the ball does not leave the bowler's hand for any reason other than an attempt to run out the non-striker before entering his delivery stride. See Law 42.15 (Bowler attempting to run out non-striker before delivery).
(ix) he is required to do so under any of the Laws.
4. Ball ceases to be dead
The ball ceases to be dead - that is, it comes into play - when the bowler starts his run up or, if he has no run up, his bowling action.
5. Action on call of Dead ball
(a) A ball is not to count as one of the over if it becomes dead or is to be considered dead before the striker has had an opportunity to play it.
(b) If the ball becomes dead or is to be considered dead after the striker has had an opportunity to play the ball, except in the circumstances of 3(vi) above and Law 42.4 (Deliberate attempt to distract striker), no additional delivery shall be allowed unless No ball or Wide has been called.
Question is, if the wicketkeeper is appealing for a caught behind, isn't the ball automatically dead?
27 comments:
No it doesn't. See Law 27(7)
"7. Batsman leaving his wicket under a misapprehension
An umpire shall intervene if satisfied that a batsman, not having been given out, has left his wicket under a misapprehension that he is out. The umpire intervening shall call and signal Dead ball to prevent any further action by the fielding side and shall recall the batsman."
Given that the umpire has to intervene if the batsman leaves his wicket under a misapprehension, it follows that the ball is not considered dead, but shall be declared so by the umpire in such an instance. If the batsman is setting off for a run, the ball is not dead in any case.
Thanks for the clarification Kartikeya. Much appreciated :)
Cheers,
The problem with this rule "(i) it is finally settled in the hands of the wicket-keeper or the bowler"is how long does a ball need to be in your hand before it is settled, the ball was settled in Gilly's hand. But isn't it on stumpings when a batsman lifts his foot late, or on occasions like this when a batsman thinks the ball has gone past the keeper.
If it was a dead ball, why was Carseldine running?
UJ,
I am not sure he was running.. I got the impression he overbalanced.. I will try to get a video of the dismissal. Will make for interesting viewing.
Cheers,
H,
I saw it live, he was running. I think he thought they were appealing for LBW, and that the ball had gone past Gilly, so he took off, and then realised Gilly was holding the ball.
UJ,
Then, as Kartikeya clarified, he is run out per rule 27(7).
Carseldine is a dolt, plain and simple :)
Cheers,
He is from New Texas, Victorians should know better than to recruit from Queensland.
Dead or not, if the batsman is attempting a run, the fielders can attempt a run out - its as simple as that.
The only problem is that it goes in the books as "stumped" which is not correct - it should be "run out". Agree that Carseldine is indeed a dork - running without knowing where the ball is and without his partner calling for a run.
The Dead ball is of no use!!!
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Even I was confused after reading your initial post but when I saw the first comment it made it clear that the ball is not dead since he took for a run.
Good stuff though Homer. Got me thinking.
Jrod, the key is when is it settled, but when is it finally settled. Not great wording, but the point is that if the keeper or bowler is still ready to use it, then it isn't finally settled!
Anonymous is right that it's run out, though...
UJ,
And yet.. :)
Cheers,
Q,
Its not.. If a batsman deliberately pads the ball and runs, he cannot be ru out as the ball is dead as no shot was offered.
Cheers,
Thanks for that Anonymous.. Good call.
Thanks for your comments and welcome to the blog.
Cheers,
Cheers DP :)
Cheers Damith :)
Are u sure abt the Homer? Cos i think as long as the batsman is out of his crease or attempting a run, he can be run out.
As much as if the non-striker walks up to his partner for a chat without informing the umpire, he cud be run out. It may be against the spirit of the game, but not against the rules.
Q,
Pretty sure you cannot be run out when you deliberately pad. The only time a player can be out is if the ball is live..
Cheers,
Homer, imagine this:
Batsman charges down the wicket, decides not to play a shot, and pads the ball away... silly point reacts quickly, picks up, and throws the ball at the stumps. Batsman short of his crease.
Are u saying that is not out?
I think it is.
Q,
These are the margins where it is indeterminate when the ball is live or dead.
If both players are attempting a run in the case you present, it is incumbent on the umpire to signal dead ball. If only one of the players is attempting a run, the run out comes into play.
So, when is the ball dead?
Cheers,
Homer, I think if the batsman is attempting a run, he can be run out. Ball dead or not.
wrong wrong wrong. bias again. I saw the dismissal and it was clear Carlesdine didnt over balance but he tried to run and was then promptly run out.
similar to how martin crowe was stumped in 1994 series by Nayan Mongia...Or Michael Vaughan off Kartik (yes he could stump too) in the final ODI in Lords in 2004 which India won.....
I m sorry to say mate bias this time doesnt work out. An Aussie was being fair this time much contrary to what is the popular belief out here on this space.
i thought after Kartikeya's comment, there would be some change in the post. But then Aussies are born sinners, isnt it. Be it Hayden or Gilly (who walked in some age in 2003) or even Sticky Something...
Sam,
lol.. You are funny!
Cheers,
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At last, bhajji remembers he is a spinner. Good for india
lol Raj :)
Cheers,
Q is actually right - the laws specifically allow for the batsman to be run out attempting a leg bye that he wouldn't be entitled to. The umpire does not call dead ball until the first run is completed.
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